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[fisme_nasu]

This is why I am not going to see Watchmen. Rape is never, ever funny or entertaining, nor is torture. I'm sorry I even read the graphic novel.

I realize that it's supposed to be a commentary on how fucked up people are. I don't care. And it hurts me that people I like and love enjoyed it.

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[gwynethfar.livejournal.com]

Ugh, that scene sounds like bad fanfic.

[be-prepared.livejournal.com]

IAWTC

[fisme-nasu.livejournal.com]

I guess we're just small minded for not seeing the brilliance of it.

[gwynethfar.livejournal.com]

I mean, I agree with the guy who says that in the book, it was WAAAAY different, and I think it does take on a different connotation when it goes from "OMG, you can replicate and you've been hiding this from me?" to, "OMG, I told you I don't like that, and you're doing it anyway."

[triedthistwice.livejournal.com]

One of the reasons I will NOT partake in anything Watchmen related is its portrayal of women. This is why I refuse to go see the movie.

[fisme-nasu.livejournal.com]

It's just sickening.

[triedthistwice.livejournal.com]

It's why I stopped reading comic books, really. Women were ALWAYS weaker and were ALWAYS treated as if they were property, as if they were helpless.

X-Men is a slightly different story, but it has its faults, too. I just hate how rape and beating on a woman is A-Ok in the comic world!

[fisme-nasu.livejournal.com]

Some people have tried to explain it away to me by saying, "well, look at the audience! Pasty fanboys who couldn't get a girl if they tried." I call bullshit. And it's not just comics, but the whole sci-fi fantasy genre - and videogames. I love me some Star Trek, but it irritates me that the women on Next Gen are all fainting damsels in distress. It wasn't until DS9 that the universe got some assertive women.

[triedthistwice.livejournal.com]

omg you're a Star Trek fan, too? I knew you were awesome!

Sci-Fi is largely misogynistic. I love Firefly something fierce, but there were plenty of times were it was like "omg i must rescue this person because they are female and can't possibly fend for themselves!"

[fisme-nasu.livejournal.com]

*bows* Thank you, thank you. I love the idealism that Star Trek has. It makes me happy to think that we can evolve into something way better than we are. Plus it's got great stories - and wonderful snarking bits.

Firefly is incredible. The whole Mal/Inara dynamic always threw me off, though. And it sucks that if you have a strong female character, or she's good at something that's stereotypically male - like engineering or fighting - she has to have some sort of ridiculous flaw. Like Kaylee and her constant moaning about Simon, River and her insanity, and Zoe being closed off emotionally. You just CAN'T be a girl and be able to stand on your own in a lot of sci-fi unless you have a man to fall back on or something horrible happens to teach you a lesson.

[crushdmb.livejournal.com]

I just watched Firefly, and I really started to hate Mal, because of how he treated Inara (whom I loved), wtf, man, wtf. He's supposed to be a "good" man but he's just an asshole.

[dreaming-faerie.livejournal.com]

Of course, women generally doesn't develop a fondness for attempted (or actual) rapists and have consensual relationships with them later, either—despite what pop culture and literature would have us believe. The rape victim falling in love with her rapist is a pervasive narrative, and probably my most loathed theme in mainstream entertainment.

She should had added this goes for men as well. There are so many yaoi series/doujinshi/fics using this premise alone.

The creator of Gravitation had the most fun with this, I think. That doujinshi she did I think was an excuse to see who could do what to Shuichi.

[fisme-nasu.livejournal.com]

The site is skewed towards the feminist viewpoint, so there's not much discussion of the male perspective.

I just don't understand the fascination.

[sin-eater.livejournal.com]

I haven't yet seen Watchmen or read the book so I can't really give my view on this. I have to see for myself how such a thing is handled before I can love or hate it.

EDIT: That said, people laughing at a rape scene makes me uncomfortable.

[fisme-nasu.livejournal.com]

My husband asked me to read the book when we heard the movie was being filmed. It was very hard for me to get through, and the ending turned me off completely. The rape wasn't really graphic in the book, but the treatment of the woman, especially by the man who intervened, was pretty awful.

But I get that you need to experience it before you make a judgement.

[cafpows.livejournal.com]

I just read that link you gave us. People laughed? WTF. NOBODY laughed at any of those parts in my theatre. Everyone was actually eerily quiet, like they were dumbstruck by what was going on. I'm a little glad about that. I don't know what type of people would laugh at rape scene and a pregnant woman getting murdered. I was pretty disturbed about the whole Silk Spectre I thing. I liked other parts of the movie, but... seriously messed up, especially after I heard what she did in the book at the end.

[fisme-nasu.livejournal.com]

I just can't imagine being in that room. Any rape scene in any movie or book is extremely triggering for me. My senior year English class watched the Prince of Tides and I had to leave the room or I'd explode.

[gargoylekitty.livejournal.com]

Idk, I just think the writer of that article saw it with a horrific audience. I've seen it twice and not once did someone laugh over Sally's attempted rape. They might have chuckled at the 'many hands of Dr. Manhattan' though that's only because the audience isn't yet informed that Laurie doesn't know he multiplied himself(even when it's revealed nothing about the scene screamed 'rape' and most the watchers stopped being amused anyway).

[fisme-nasu.livejournal.com]

True, but you can tell from the lack of mention in any review how unfazed by it everyone is. Like, it's a normal, everyday thing or we've seen it before and it doesn't bother us.

What bothered me in the book was when the guy who interrupted it was completely cold and callous towards her.

[gargoylekitty.livejournal.com]

Yeah, it was rather fucked up how it was handled in the book though I took it more as a small commentary on how rape was handled at that time (and horribly, is sometimes handled today). It's wrong and I can understand why you, or anyone really, would dislike it. In all the Watchmen is an angst-ridden/horrific read, though despite that it still manages to be one of my favorite graphic novel.

[shadowfreder.livejournal.com]

Never saw Watchmen or understood the hype.

So I understand it is about how fucked up humanity is? I don't need a film to see that. I already see that every day. :(